From pycyn@aol.com Thu Aug 15 05:22:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 12:22:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 46746 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 12:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 12:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 12:22:31 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.169.122c59f2 (3956) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <169.122c59f2.2a8cf701@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:22:25 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] kau -- What does it really mean?! To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_169.122c59f2.2a8cf701_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_169.122c59f2.2a8cf701_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 7:15:27 PM Central Daylight Time, a-rosta@alphaphe.com writes: > , kau became meaningless; it converts direct > questions into indirect questions. In my view, it can't even be > seen as some kind of logical converter, because I think indirect > questions are semantically more basic than direct questions This seems an odd position: how can one talk about a direct question until there is one to talk about. Admitedly, if you go by the performative-verb-head style grammar, then questions arise from a "I ask Q" structure, but there is no reason to think that, at that level, Q is distinctly indirect, that being a surface feature which might emerge if the preformative is also brought to the surface. --part1_169.122c59f2.2a8cf701_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 7:15:27 PM Central Daylight Time, a-rosta@alphaphe.com writes:


, kau became meaningless; it converts direct
questions into indirect questions. In my view, it can't even be
seen as some kind of logical converter, because I think indirect
questions are semantically more basic than direct questions


This seems an odd position: how can one talk about a direct question until there is one to talk about.  Admitedly, if you go by the performative-verb-head style grammar, then questions arise from a "I ask Q" structure, but there is no reason to think that, at that level, Q is distinctly indirect, that being a surface feature which might emerge if the preformative is also brought to the surface. --part1_169.122c59f2.2a8cf701_boundary--