From jcowan@reutershealth.com Fri Aug 16 05:54:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 12:54:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 65947 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 12:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 12:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 12:54:01 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15688; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200208161304.JAA15688@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:51:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Phrases for language learners To: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de (Newton, Philip) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com ('lojban@yahoogroups.com') In-Reply-To: from "Newton, Philip" at Aug 16, 2002 02:42:00 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Newton, Philip scripsit: > Maybe I'll think about it a bit more, but it seems to me at the moment that > lo'u...le'u is more general (and perhaps more useful especially in such > asking-about-language-and-usage contexts) than lu...li'u. For human interlocutors, it makes little difference which one you use. The main benefit of the distinction between lu/li'u and lo'u/le'u is for machines, who can infer from la simon. cusku lu la djefris. mlatu li'u that Simon asserted *that* Jeffry is a cat, whereas from la simon. cusku lo'u la djefris. mlatu le'u they can only infer that Simon said something or other. -- John Cowan jcowan@reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan www.reutershealth.com "The competent programmer is fully aware of the strictly limited size of his own skull; therefore he approaches the programming task in full humility, and among other things he avoids clever tricks like the plague." --Edsger Dijkstra