From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Aug 19 03:48:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 10:48:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 2595 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 10:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 10:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 10:48:53 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17gk5d-0007Es-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:48:53 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17gk4x-0007EV-00; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:48:11 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from texas.pobox.com ([64.49.223.111]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17gk4r-0007EM-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:48:05 -0700 Received: from pobox.com (lsanca1-ar9-4-65-082-014.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net [4.65.82.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by texas.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FB24537C for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D60DAF4.5070609@pobox.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:48:04 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: eo, ia, en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] .uanai ne'i le velcli References: <8.2b0e49c8.2a9179a1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 674 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: brion@pobox.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Brion VIBBER From: Brion VIBBER Reply-To: brion@pobox.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out la pycyn. pu cusku zoi gy. > << > mi jimpe leka mi srera > >> > I read this as "I understand the nature of my mistakes [the quality of > my erring]" but I haven't gotten anyone else to agree about that in > public (nor private, come to think of it). It fits beautifully here, > contrary to all those "but it is useless" remarks (I wish I were certain > that that was what you meant). gy. .i.ui satci .i py. pu cusku zoi gy. > I am unsure about the force of {ei} buried under several subordinators; > I suspect that {mi bilga le nu} is meant, but seems inappropriate > without a lot of detail: what standard is involved (I planned to, I > promised to, I am legally bound to, ...; this looks like merely "I > planned to." in which case, forgetting covers all the obligation > involved -- you can't forget to do -- I take it that {lenu in this > sense is OK --what isn't on the list). gy. .i.oi mi cortu le stedu mu'o -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)