From Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Tue Aug 20 00:58:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Aug 2002 07:58:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 51249 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2002 07:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2002 07:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO spree.gedas.de) (139.1.44.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 07:58:07 -0000 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22225 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22221 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:05 +0200 Message-ID: To: "'lojban@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: Re: I like chocolate Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:58:02 +0200 Return-Receipt-To: "Newton, Philip" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Newton, Philip" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23036112 X-Yahoo-Profile: elder_newton la pycyn. cu cusku di'e > Presumably, your interest is not just in a particular piece, nor > in some unspecified piece(s), No, I'm not thinking in terms of (discrete, countable) pieces at all -- rather, as "(some) chocolate", part of a greater mass. > so neither {le} nor {lo} (nor, probably {loi}) fits in. What not {loi}? I thought that was "(some of) the mass that really is", or something along those lines. > {lo'e} won't work if it means "typical" or "average" or some > such, since the point is that you typically eat chocolate with > pleasure, not that you necessary always (or right now or....) > eat typical chocolate with pleasure True. So I figure {mi nelci ba'e lo'e zu'o citka loi cakla} is OK (I like the typical activity of eating chocolate) while {mi nelci lo'ezu'o citka ba'e lo'e cakla} is not (I don't [necessarily] like eating typical chocolate). > (average chocolate is, well, average, and so might not be so > pleasurable, typical might be worse). Heh :) > On the whole, moving off into the intensional seems the right > thing to do I do not understand what you mean here; what does "intensional" mean? > (and what xorxes would have {lo'e} do, usually). Please explain further. mu'omi'e filip. [email copies appreciated, since I read the digest] {ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji} -- filip.niutyn. All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.