From pycyn@aol.com Tue Aug 20 06:39:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 92985 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.96.2b35b199 (4312) for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96.2b35b199.2a93a074@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:39:00 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] memories To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_96.2b35b199.2a93a074_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_96.2b35b199.2a93a074_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2002 9:05:09 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@webjockey.net writes: > i mi morji lenu jaursabji le > spatrbasiliko kei le purlamjeftu The claim is that I only remember the fact that {le du'u mi...} not the event itself. It is clear that remembering an event is rather different from remembering that the event took place (imagery, detail, affectiveness, etc.). Whether tht is coverd by the difference between {du'u} and {nu} is not clear; another suggestion is to use {li'i}, a largely unexplored abstractor (but apparently still under {nu}). Is last week really what the memory is about, rather than just the time of the event remembered? << As to "remember to water", that should be a different word: mi zukmo'i lenu jaursabji lei spati. >> Probably right, but let's try the other for a few more rounds of commentary. --part1_96.2b35b199.2a93a074_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2002 9:05:09 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@webjockey.net writes:


i mi morji lenu jaursabji le
spatrbasiliko kei le purlamjeftu


The claim is that I only remember the fact that {le du'u mi...} not the event itself.  It is clear that remembering an event is rather different from remembering that the event took place (imagery, detail, affectiveness, etc.).  Whether tht is coverd by the difference between {du'u} and {nu} is not clear; another suggestion is to use {li'i}, a largely unexplored abstractor (but apparently still under {nu}). 
Is last week really what the memory is about, rather than just the time of the event remembered?

<<
As to "remember to water",
that should be a different word: mi zukmo'i lenu jaursabji lei spati.
>>
Probably right, but let's try the other for a few more rounds of commentary. --part1_96.2b35b199.2a93a074_boundary--