From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Aug 21 17:04:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 73957 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:56:11 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.42 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:56:11 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] The number of dogs. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:56:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 23:56:11.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[5399BE10:01C2496E] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.42] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la camgusmis cusku di'e >li mo'e le gerku > >-Robin, who has become a convert to the belief that le ni gerku *never* >means "the number of dogs". I agree about {le ni}, but I would just say {le terkancu be lei gerku}, just a little bit longer but hopefully with a plain meaning. (Unfortunately there isn't a simple selbri for "x1 is the number (cardinality) of (mass/set) x2".) I can't say for sure what {li mo'e le gerku} means, but one theory holds that it is the dimensioned number "all the dogs", like {li mo'e ci gerku} would give the dimensioned number "3 dogs". "All the dogs" might work for "the number of dogs", but where would you use it? Not in a context that asks for a bare number. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com