From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Aug 21 21:07:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 04:07:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 32484 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 04:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 04:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 04:07:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:07:10 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.29 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:07:09 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:07:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 04:07:10.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[63117810:01C24991] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.29] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e >< > la djak naku djuno ro du'u la djil sipna > Jack doesn't know (every) that Jill is asleep. > >Even though he does know that Jill is asleep. Odd at least. > >> > >Why so? Because it doesn't correspond to anything in natlangs as far as I can tell. ><< >{tu'o} suggests itself to me: the non-quantifier quantifier. >I suppose I have been using {lo'e} as {tu'o lo}. > >> >And this differs from {su'o lo} exactly how? In that tu'o does not quantify over the members of lo'i. It only extracts the intension. >Why do {le} and {lo} bring in manifestations. They refer to members of the >set lo'i nu mi citka lo cakla, and every member of that set is an event, >abstract, not an occasion, manifestation. What would {re nu mi citka lo cakla} be, other than two occasions real or imaginary, but occasions? If they are not occasions, is there any way to refer to occasions in Lojban? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com