From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Aug 25 00:19:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 07:19:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4641 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 07:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 07:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.117) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 07:19:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:19:38 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.3 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:19:36 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] non-volitional zukte Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:19:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 07:19:38.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5EDE720:01C24C07] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.3] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la kir cusku di'e >How to say "x1 is active/functions/operates/works"? >{zukte} is for volitional activity, but what if x1 >is a machine or eg. a shop? I've asked on IRC, and >best option we found is {se sazri}, but I feel it is >not the answer. Any suggestions? I have searched for that meaning before, too. Amazing as it appears, the best answer seems to be {tolspofu}. See http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?the%20Upsidedown%20Gismu%20Syndrome for some other oddities of that kind. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com