Subject: Re: [lojban] mlana

From: "Jorge Llambias" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:13:37 +0000

la pier cusku di'e

> > le bolci cu zunle le kubli mi
> > le bolci cu mlana le kubli fo mi
> >
> > The ball is to the left of the cube (considering the cube as facing me).
>
>I thought this meant "The ball is to my left of the cube.". That is, if I'm
>facing north, the ball is west of the cube, regardless of which way the 
>cube
>is facing, or which way it is from me.

No, look at the definition:

zunle zul left
x1 is to the left/left-hand side of x2 which faces/in-frame-of-reference x3 
[also x3 is the standard of orientation for x2]

To get the usual meaning in English we need to place the
reference point so that the cubes gives its back to us. So:
{zunle le kubli lo ragve be le kubli bei mi}, "to the left
of the cube as it faces beyond the cube from me".

The default x3 for {zunle} and company when x2 doesn't have
an inherent front will no doubt be {lo ragve be vo'e bei mi},
which gives the intuitive English meaning.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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