From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Aug 25 09:24:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 16:24:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 68887 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 16:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 16:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 16:24:44 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020825162442.URBL16428.lakemtao03.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:24:42 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020825121738.032b15d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:24:08 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] mlana In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 03:13 PM 8/25/02 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: >la pier cusku di'e > > > > le bolci cu zunle le kubli mi > > > le bolci cu mlana le kubli fo mi > > > > > > The ball is to the left of the cube (considering the cube as facing me). > > > >I thought this meant "The ball is to my left of the cube.". That is, if I'm > >facing north, the ball is west of the cube, regardless of which way the > >cube > >is facing, or which way it is from me. > >No, look at the definition: > >zunle zul left >x1 is to the left/left-hand side of x2 which faces/in-frame-of-reference x3 >[also x3 is the standard of orientation for x2] So for the above example, "The ball is to my left [as I face] the cube" would be le bolci cu zunle mi le kubli and le bolci cu mlana le zunle be mi le kubli The ball is to the side of me, facing my left (on my left face) with respect to the cube. (the orientation of the ball is irrelevant, but so also is the direction that I am currently facing) lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org