From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Aug 27 15:54:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 22:54:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 87071 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 22:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 22:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.132) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 22:54:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:54:53 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.55 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:54:53 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Again/next? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:54:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 22:54:53.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1CD1910:01C24E1C] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.55] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la camgusmis cusku di'e >Well, given a hypothetical member of PA that meant 'more than the >current amount by N, defaults to 1', call it xa'u, we could do xa'uru'e, >could we not? No, that would still mean "again". To see the difference more clearly, change to another predicate that does not itself include the idea of "more" the way "do better" does. Let's say "I'll read this again" vs "I'll read this next time". mi ba za'ure'u tcidu ti I'll read this again. (I have read it, I will for another time.) ca le krefu mi ba tcidu ti Next time I'll read this. (Probably I did not read it this time.) "Next time" does not refer to a repetition of "I read this". It refers to a repetition of the background/conditions. Next time I'm here, or next time I see the book, etc. Certainly not "next time I read this, I'll read this". mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com