Subject: Re: [lojban] The 16 propositional attitude predicates

From: Jordan DeLong <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:51:39 -0500

[ sorry to reply twice ]

On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 01:20:08AM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote:
> la djordan cusku di'e
[ ... ]
> >wrong acording to CLL. A quick grep finds in chapter 11, around ex 9.1
> > mi morji le li'i mi verba
> >So clearly we can use more than just du'u there.
> 
> Well, {mi morji le li'i mi verba} certainly does not fit the
> place structure "x1 remembers that x2 is true about x3", so this
> just reinforces my claim that we tend to use it "wrong": even
> the Book does it!

It turns out that that's not actually the place structure in the
gi'uste for morji, btw. It is given the description
x1 remembers/recalls/recollects fact(s)/memory x2 (du'u)
about subject x3

So in,
mi morji le li'i mi verba
one can assume that in the x3 place the zo'e could be something like
le mi pu'u jmive

Some more lookage about "djuno" OTOH, finds in chap 11 confirmation
that things of the form
mi djuno lenu broda
are in fact incorrect.

I don't think there's a contradiction between the two sources. But
you're probably right that some people have been molesting the
se djuno (I sure have been).

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Jordan DeLong
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