From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Aug 31 08:53:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 15:53:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 86681 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 15:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 15:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 15:53:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:53:19 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.13 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:53:18 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] as hard as he could go Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:53:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2002 15:53:19.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[86BF41D0:01C25106] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.13] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pier cusku di'e >I suggest {ry. selka'e sutrai bajra}, or {ry. sutrai be le'i selka'e be ry. >be'o be'o bajra}, detanruizing it one step. I should have used {serai le ka sutra}, not just {rai}. If we detanruize your version one more step we might get {ry bajra serai le kamsutra verai le'i selka'e be ry}. He runs with maximum speed, max among his possibilities. la and cusku di'e >It doesn't translate the English, but it seems a reasonable >substitution. If I'd been translating from the Lojban I might >do "rai le ka sutra" as "at top speed". Yes, except it had to be {serai}, as it is the x2 of {traji} that is the speed. >Of course the English locution is part of a larger paradigm >that extends to cases like "as soon as is convenient", "as >quickly as she thought seemly", and so forth, and in these >cases, "rai le ka" is obviously not an adequate solution. Would {serai ... verai ...} work for the paradigm? {serai le ka clira kei verai lei mapti}, {serai le ka sutra kei verai lei da poi ko'a jinvi le du'u ke'a tcaci mapti} mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com