From ragnarok@pobox.com Sat Aug 31 14:19:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 21:19:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 13592 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.29] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2C4C4C5018E; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:19:00 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] dictionary - which words? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.29] X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >> > semau: se mau: less than (grammatical conversion of mau) >> > mau: more than; see also semau >> >>I would simply omit the spaceless version, but sort it so that "se mau" >>appears where "semau" would be. (And, I suppose, where you'd expect to >>find it with the space in there.) >I would not expect to find either "se mau" nor "semau" as an entry >in a dictionary that lists words. Existing dictionaries do not list words, they list *lexemes*. I would argue that although semau is most certainly not a word, it equally certainly is a lexeme. It therefore ought to be in the dictionary. >>Further, it seems like a poor idea to try and use the dictionary to >>correct a failing of the pedagogical process. Teach people how words >>break apart properly, and this is a nonconcern. >Exactly. Then when you want to know what "semau" means you search >under "mau" (or under "se" if that is the part you don't know). The problem, however, is that semau is one lexeme composed of two words, and we might want to look up that lexeme. If I know se and mau, but I do not know zmadu, then knowing that semau is se+mau does not tell me what it *means*. --la kreig.daniyl. 'segu le balvi temci gi mi'o renvi lo purci .i ga le fonxa janbe gi du mi' -la djimis.BYFet pygypy gubmau ckiku nacycme: 0x22C68020