From gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Sun Sep 01 02:18:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 09:18:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 12668 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 09:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 09:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta2n.bluewin.ch) (195.186.4.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 09:18:51 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (213.3.158.225) by mta2n.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.5.027) id 3D64A199000E61EA for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:18:50 +0200 Message-ID: <006e01c25198$a83acd60$b2a4ca3e@oemcomputer> To: "jboste" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020901005918.032f7470@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: [lojban] dictionary - which words? Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:18:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "G. Dyke" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81437350 X-Yahoo-Profile: gregvdyke lojbab: > "mau" by itself does NOT access all the places of "zmadu". If we are going > to list the meaning of "se mau" under "mau", why aren't we listing it under > "se". The 2nd place of zmadu is no more a part of the definition of mau > than it is part of the definition of "se". chapter 9, 6.6: "The BAI cmavo, however, are far more precise than English prepositions, because their meanings are fixed by the place structures of the corresponding gismu." So {mau} does access all the places of zmadu although only *gives* access to the x1. I think that BAI should be treated as special cases of {fi'o broda} (because that's what they are) and be just included in the definition of zmadu. As you point out, typesetting this is not easy. Under mau we should just have "zmadu modal, see zmadu" Here is my idea of what a dictionary entry of zmadu should look like: {zmadu} ({zma} {mau}) more x1 exceeds/is more than x2 in property/quantity x3 (ka/ni) by amount/excess x4 examples with ka examples with ni brodymau/brodezma : x1 exceeds x2 in property/quantity broda by amount x3 examples of lujvo usage modal : mau examples of modal usage !! often the mau modal and it's relatives only modify a sumti, they should in be attached with {pe} mu'omi'e greg.