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Subject: Re: pronunciation guide for lessons
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From: Nick Nicholas <opoudjis@optushome.com.au>
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cu'u la .aulun.

>yet these IMHO are subtleties to be neglected
>for our purposes: only Wade-Giles mainly pays attention to the fact that in
>Putonghua the consonants [b], [d], [g] are unvoiced (there are hardly voiced
>sounds anyway!).

reading between the lines (same goes for Jorge's response on the 
Wiki): the point should be that I establish a contrast, any contrast, 
in the languages, rather than reproduce the Lojban phonemes? i.e. p 
vs. b for Mandarin, as opposed to p (or b) vs. "does not exist"? Or 
am I overgeneralising?

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