From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Sep 10 10:52:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 17:52:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 46194 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 17:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 17:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 17:52:59 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17opC7-0001tA-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:52:59 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17opBW-0001sp-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:52:22 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17opBP-0001sg-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:52:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:52:15 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: word for "www" (was: Archive location.) Message-ID: <20020910175215.GD6798@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20020910173133.GB6798@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20020910133247.K68275-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020910133247.K68275-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1023 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 01:37:03PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 01:21:13PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > > > >From http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?ralcku > > > > > > > > > 1. maldzena reservations about the virtuality of a cukta can > > > be overcome by considering the modern meaning of the term > > > "document", and considering a cukta as a collection of > > > documents. > > > > > > 2. The gismu definition does not refer to the cohesiveness > > > often considered necessary for "books". > > > > Even granting these, and the rest of the stuff on that page, ralcku ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > is a crappy lujvo for the web because it's just not specific enough. > > > > ralcku could be a library. > > Are you saying that a library is one cukta? You've given me the > argument right here. See above. Try to stay with me. > > Almost a third of the world would probably assume that ralcku was > > the Bible (that's the most important book, right?). > > > > Another quarter would assume it was the Koran. > > It contains the Bible and Koran. That makes it just as, if not more ralju. Are you being deliberately obtuse? It's also contains http://www.thehun.net/, which most people would not consider the most important book. > > I mean, *come* *on*. It means 'most important book'. Not only is > > that ridiculously ambigous *now*, it's pretty much guarnteed to > > become obsoleted over time. > > When the web is replaced by something else which is other than an > evolution of the same concept? (Still the web, but a difference in > implementation detail, etc) Ummm, the actual concept of the web is about sharing educational resources between universities. 8) > Are you quite sure that all lujvo must guard against future events we > can *barely* comprehend? I don't think I need to dignify this with the > encouragement of a discussion. I think that picking lujvo that are *guaranteed* to become obsolete and are, in fact, already ambigous is pointless at best and moronic at worst. The whole *point* of lujvo is that someone should be able to dissect them and figure out what you mean. I will bet you *any* *amount* *of* *money* (and I mean that) that if you ask 20 non-lojbanists what 'principal (as in most important) book' means, with no other information, that no more than 1 or 2 will guess the web. Seriously. Any amount of money you like. I just got a check for a stock disbursment. I'll give you 10 to 1 odds. You can even show them the full definition of ralju and cukta, but you can't give them any other information. If a lujvo can't pass such a basic test of sanity, dammit, it's a *shitty* lujvo! -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/