From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 16:30:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 23:30:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 93418 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 23:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 23:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 23:30:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:30:18 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:30:18 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] tunlo Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:30:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2002 23:30:18.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[06574D20:01C25922] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e >This was one of a set of "basic actions," in the philosophical "muscle >twitch" sense, that were separated out to allow one predicate to cover a >wide >range of "non-basic actions" (twitches with purposes and affecting things >other than the body itself) by compounding. Whether the philosophy behind >this was sound, we are stuck with several of these and they seem to work >OK. The full list of basic actions seem to be: cisma, cmila, frumu, senci, tunlo (smile, laugh, frown, sneeze, swallow). Can you elaborate on the range that they can cover? >On the other hand, we left several potential members of the set unreduced >and >somehow manage to deal with all the cases anyhow. What are all the cases? >(see the "action" set in >the 1-place predicates in the partially organized lists). >We can, after all, swallow without swallowing anything, even spit -- and >{zi'o} is more suspect than compounds. I wish this principle had been applied more often. In the case of {tunlo}, putting a sumti in a non existent place is like adding a place with {do'e}. I don't think it would be hard to interpret what {le sincrboa ba'o tunlo le xanto} means, would it? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com