From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 17:20:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 11 Sep 2002 00:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 93204 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 00:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 00:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 00:20:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:20:00 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:20:00 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] How would you translate this? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:20:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2002 00:20:00.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[F75A4F50:01C25928] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 > >But, can Lojban play this trick at all? > >In Sindarin, it actually has "friend" as mellon, rather than vellon, the >form it would take if it were to be the object of the verb - meaning that >it >is only a little bit cleaner than the English. Lojban, however, would use: > >ko cusku doi pendo = speak, friend >ko cusku zo pendo = say "friend" Are you saying that Lojban's d-i vs. z is much cleaner than Sindarin m vs. v? The English distinction is also very clean, be it in writing or in speech. >This would have to be about an order of magnitude above "ractu cafmi'a" if >anyone can come up with an answer. It seems to me that there is no problem at all. I found the passage. The inscription itself is not ambiguous. The first time Gandalf mistranslates it and says {ko cusku doi pendo} Later he corrects himself and says "the translation should have been" {ko cusku zo pendo}. Where is the difficulty? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com