From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Sep 10 18:33:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 01:33:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 85027 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 01:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 01:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 01:33:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17owNj-0000Wq-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:33:27 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17owNg-0000WX-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:33:24 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17owNY-0000WN-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:33:16 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8B1cZwD001633 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:38:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8B1cZRo001632 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:38:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:38:35 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: word for "www" (was: Archive location.) Message-ID: <20020911013835.GA1590@allusion.net> References: <20020910220714.GZ6798@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1086 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 02:20:09AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Robin Lee Powell > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:00:03PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > Robin CA: > > > > The whole *point* of lujvo, unless I'm missing something, is that > > > > someone should be able to dissect them and figure out what you mean= . > > >=20 > > > Not so. Lujvo are simply a means of creating new words for new > > > meanings. However, other things being equal (e.g. word length), > > > a candidate lujvo is held to be the more superior the more its > > > meaning and place structure can be guessed from its constituent > > > parts. > >=20 > > I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not. 8) >=20 > Not. It is not the case that the whole point of lujvo is that someone > should be able to dissect them and figure out what you mean. The > whole point of lujvo is that they are words formed from parts that > have independent meaning within Lojban, but with a meaning that is > not equivalent to the sum of their parts. Their dissectablity is not > their point. .ieru'e Right: lujvo are just more words. The mapping back to gismu, however, is useful in that it allows hints to their meaning, along with some control over how they get created (instead of just random word forms being choosen). zo balcukta is more or less random assignment of meaning to a compound who's source tanru has at worst nothing to do with anything (neither the banli nor the cukta parts), or at best stands on very shaky metaphorical grounds. --=20 Jordan DeLong fracture@allusion.net --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9fp6aDrrilS51AZ8RAvKbAJ4gvqqwYHNTKh9KcDn+zGwQoyXMNwCgzCx/ HNqDbc877G9iFQYw/wb933A= =Y27i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl--