From reciproc@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Wed Nov 10 15:29:01 1999 X-Digest-Num: 280 Message-ID: <44114.280.1560.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:29:01 -0700 (MST) From: reciproc@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Subject: Re: gasnu la xorxes. pu ciska di'e << I think it doesn't help, because x3 is the agent of event x2, not of event x1: x1: John laughs x2: Robin hits John x3: Robin A more clear wording for {mukti} might be "x1 motivates x3 to do x2". I think the "per volition of x3" roundabout was used to keep the arguments in Lojban order. >> Isn't that a bit repetitive? From "lenu la djan. mi'afra cu mukti lenu la robin. darxi dy." it's fairly obvious that Robin's the one doing the hitting.