From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 15:36:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 22:36:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 42669 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 22:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 22:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 22:36:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:36:15 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.43 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:36:14 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] tunlo Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:36:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2002 22:36:15.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[A335B750:01C259E3] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.43] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e ><< > > The full list of basic actions seem to be: cisma, cmila, frumu, > > senci, tunlo (smile, laugh, frown, sneeze, swallow). Can you > > elaborate on the range that they can cover? > >> >And {bikla} "whip". How does one "whip"? I considered adding that one, but I wouldn't know how to whip. I think I used {bikla} a couple of times, but only as a modifier, and basically meaning {suksa}. What is the basic action that is covered by {bikla}? >The most of these are facial in a broad sense, but the >original "philosophical" idea was much more about gross bodily movements, >muscle contractions at various points in the voluntary sets -- more like >{bikla} in fact, but harder in general to find good words for. So the odd tunlo place structure is a remnant of a discarded theory? >"kick, blink, >step (just lifting the foot, not the whole process), bend, straighten" are >some relatively easy cases; {binxo lo korcu} and {binxo lo tolkorcu} for "bend" and "straighten". "kick" would be {tikpa zi'o zi'o}, is that what you mean? and similarly for "step" {stapa zi'o}. What would "blink" be? >harder ones are flexing a finger, raising a knee, >and so on: the muscle components of all meaningful actions -- that is, the >pieces deprived of meaning. {krogau lo degji}, {lafti lo cidni}, they seem easier than "blink". ><< >What are all the cases? > >> >I don't supppose there is a complete list; it is pretty open-ended. I >don't >remember what other cases were considered and rejected or what ignored or >discovered too late. There were a few of the first sort and more of the >later. I'm not sure I understand the principle involved. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx