From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Sep 11 17:50:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 00:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 58985 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 00:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 00:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 00:50:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17pIBt-0006XL-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:50:41 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17pIBl-0006X2-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:50:34 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17pIBe-0006Wt-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:50:26 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8C0tnwD011223 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:55:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8C0tnDd011222 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:55:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:55:49 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: word for "www" (was: Archive location.) Message-ID: <20020912005549.GA11165@allusion.net> References: <20020911180952.GM6798@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20020911160246.K73991-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020911160246.K73991-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 04:09:04PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On a parallel note, it's interesting that the people who were around > > > when the notion of lujvo was being developed have a quite different > > > understanding of the intent behind lujvo than those who came much > > > later in the game. Poor communication? > > > > Has anyone besides PC who was around then spoken up on this point? >=20 > Rosta (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/15531) and Lojbab's > recent post (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/15584) where it > turns out that a good half of the old lujvo are not literal at all. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding; but xod wasn't your claim that this usage of cukta isn't even metaphorical at all (and do you still stand by that after lojbab's eariler post)? That said, CLL seemed to me when I read it to be very much in favor of lujvo which are literally-devised in a predictable fashion (but allowing for removing pieces of the source tanru to shorten them). Pre-CLL lojban had plenty of problems (literal lujvo aside), so I don't think the implied argument of "it's always been this way, so it's the right way" makes any sense whatsoever (especially if you're reaching back to the Dark Ages (loglan days) of the language). --=20 Jordan DeLong fracture@allusion.net --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9f+YVDrrilS51AZ8RAuvHAJ9zIDhlGYRNU4W8TO9jPC2d8di2XwCfZqgu 3M1JZzu9ScQchdrTQFBV/AQ= =TA+z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s--