From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Sep 13 15:57:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 22:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 55089 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 22:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 22:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.197) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 22:57:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:57:21 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.31 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:57:21 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] tunlo Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:57:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2002 22:57:21.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB30EB10:01C25B78] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.31] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e ><< >Maybe {kalgaifri} for "blink", {kalgaifru} for "wink"? > >> >I take it that the action is the same in both cases (though a stage wink >can >get a bit more of the face involved) and the difference is in intended >meaning (blinks don't have any). I think also blinking is normally done with both eyes, winking with one. >So, "wink" ought to be an extension of >"blink" to show the meaning. Winking, unlike blinking, is not a basic >action >(I think). But it fits better with kick, step, bend, stretch in that it is intentional. Blinking is more like breathing, or having a tic, something that you normally do unconsciously. >I don't get {kalgaifri} "eyelid experience" for "blink" -- what is the >metaphor involved (or the rule being used)? Just emphasizing that it is not something one does with volition. It can be seen as something experienced rather than acted (English doesn't do it this way, but I'm sure some languages must). {lifri tu'a lei kalgai be vo'a}, experience the action that involves one's eyelids. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com