From araizen@newmail.net Sat Sep 14 16:31:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 14 Sep 2002 23:31:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 89171 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 23:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2002 23:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxout1.netvision.net.il) (194.90.9.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 23:31:04 -0000 Received: from default ([62.0.134.194]) by mxout1.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H2G00G0HBZPCA@mxout1.netvision.net.il> for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 02:31:03 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 02:38:15 +0200 Subject: seljvajvo (was: word for "www") To: Lojban List , pycyn@aol.com Message-id: <002701c25c50$32ee1cc0$c286003e@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <12f.176fdfab.2ab3674b@aol.com> From: Adam Raizen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3063669 X-Yahoo-Profile: araizen la pycyn. cusku di'e > This assumes that we can always disambiguate a tanru and that any two > right-thinking souls would do it the same way -- in context. Unlikely. It assumes that both speaker and listener know the disambiguation, whether by looking it up in an unabridged dictionary or by guessing. Most likely, in most cases it will be possible to guess with very high accuracy. According to seljvajvo principles, there are only three possible ways to disambiguate: symmetrically, asymmetrically, and asymmetrically with implicit abstraction, and often only one is plausible. There are potentially a few ways to disambiguate asymmetric seljvajvo if the tertau of the veljvo has more than two places, but even then most often only one is plausible. I realize that seljvajvo reduce the metaphorical poeticness of lojban, but there are enough metaphorically poetic languages out there, and I know where to find them. mu'o mi'e .adam.