From opoudjis@optushome.com.au Tue Sep 17 02:33:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 09:33:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 29177 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 09:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 09:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU) (128.250.20.111) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 09:33:24 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) id <01KMMADQI9TS914CTC@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:33:22 +1000 Received: from [128.250.86.21] (porchermac.language.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.86.21]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) with ESMTP id <01KMMADQ63IW9140JH@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:33:22 +1000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:32:25 +1000 Subject: carolingianosity X-Sender: opoudjis@mail.optushome.com.au To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90350612 X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis John Cowan's rotating .sig triggered a Lojbanic response, which I thought I'd burden you guys with instead: > Charles li reis, nostre emperesdre magnes, > Set anz totz pleinz ad ested in Espagnes. lu .i la karolus ku no'u le noltru zi'eno'u le banli turni be ma'a cu stali le spano tutra ca'o lo nanca be li su'o ze li'u .i la nanmu poi barda (no'u na'ebo la nanmu ku poi barda ge'u) cu ti'e jinga lenu danfu lei muslo gi'e ja'o toljinga lenu danfu loi natmrxeuskara --- po'u lei cu'u muslo ... and that leads me to a question. {la nanmu poi barda} is Mr Great Man, and {la nanmu ku poi barda} is the great Mr Man. I gather {la poi barda ku'o nanmu} is also {la nanmu ku poi barda}? And with cmene, I can't do this trick, can I --- I can't distinguish between *Charles Great {la karolus poi barda} and the great Charles *{la karolus ku poi barda} --- let alone *{la poi barda karolus}. -- **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** * Dr Nick Nicholas, Linguistics/French & Italian nickn@unimelb.edu.au * University of Melbourne, Australia http://www.opoudjis.net * "Eschewing obfuscatory verbosity of locutional rendering, the * circumscriptional appelations are excised." --- W. Mann & S. Thompson, * _Rhetorical Structure Theory: A Theory of Text Organisation_, 1987. * **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** ****