From ragnarok@pobox.com Tue Sep 17 14:15:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 21:15:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 44343 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 21:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 21:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:15:39 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.29] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AB7BC8AC0190; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:15:39 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] taiku ? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:15:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1a1.8cb1fa5.2ab8b27e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.29] X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >>> As a member of the generation that uses this like: >>> It is not actually freestanding - a grammar has evolved of when it is and >is >>> not used. >>In particular, it is used as a marker of indirect and sometimes even >>direct discourse: standard "I said that P" comes out "I'm, like, P." >I actually find that usage less commonly than as a marker of secondhand >knowledge, but it is used also. >>> >Muffy Siegel at Temple U claims to ahve isolated three usages: >1) The quotation introduction mentioned above >2) a hedge -- what follows is not guaranteed accurate (this is probably the same as the secondhand knowledge case -- the data would overlap, at least). The data certainly would overlap; I would guess that the particulars vary. Perhaps this is a regional or other social distinction.