From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Tue Sep 17 14:18:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 49757 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:18:51 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: carolingianosity Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200209171052.GAA12600@mail2.reutershealth.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 765 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "A.W.T." X-Originating-IP: 212.144.142.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37407270 X-Yahoo-Profile: aolung --- In lojban@y..., John Cowan wrote: >This fellow is interesting: in English, his > name is completely opaque, in French it's partly opaque and partly not, > but in German his name *is* la karolus. poi barda: Karl der Grosse. > Of course, in Germany he's a German emperor, whereas in France (and > a fortiori in Anglophonia) he's a French emperor. The latter statement may be correct, but I never was taught (post WWII) tha= =3D=0D t=20 'Karl der Gro=DFe' was a German emperor - nor that he was a French emperor:= =20 there was no 'german' or 'french' state at that time! Carolus Magnus=20 (Charlesmagne), king of 'Franken' (Franconia?), was regarded the leader of = =3D=0D the=20 Roman Empire (much later called 'Das R=F6mische Reich Deutscher Nation'). mi'e .aulun.