Subject: Re: carolingianosity

From: "A.W.T." <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:03:36 -0000

--- In lojban@y..., John Cowan <jcowan@r...> wrote:
> A.W.T. scripsit:
> 
> > there was no 'german' or 'french' state at that time! Carolus Magnus 
> > (Charlesmagne), king of 'Franken' (Franconia?),
> 
> Variably "the Franks", "the Frankish kingdom", or even "the French empire=
".

I would not agree with the latter. The 'Franken' (Franks) were just one 
(important) tribe on the wide Germanic territory. 
 
> > was regarded the leader of the 
> > Roman Empire (much later called 'Das Römische Reich Deutscher Nation').=

> 
> Fair enough, but is not the Federal Republic a direct successor (in the
> 5th degree) of that state? So is the Fifth Republic, to be sure.

That's about the same (or similar) question raised by international law wit=
h quite 
a couple of different theories on who is/are the successor(s) of 'das Dritt=
e 
Reich' (the 'DDR' - German Democratic Republic - too, who didn't claim for =
it ;-) 
?). When studying law (and still today), my opinion always was that there a=
re/
were two - though pretty different - legal successors.
 
> BTW, here is a good page showing how everyone with any European ancestry =
at
> all is almost certainly descended from Charlemagne.

I heard about this idea, maybe this is even true ;-)
 
Craig, your teacher was right, the so-called 'tausendjährige Reich' neverr=
eally 
had been an empire, nonetheless affecting so many people's lives! Qin 
Shihuangdi's 'empire' also didn't really survive this ruler, yet yielded im=
mense 
consequences on China up to our days.

.aulun.
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