From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Sep 18 08:10:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 15:10:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 19157 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 15:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 15:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 15:10:28 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17rgUp-0000oY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:12:07 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17rgUE-0000oG-00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:11:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17rgUB-0000o7-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:11:27 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8IFFnwD008302 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:15:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8IFFnD2008301 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:15:49 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: sumti raising from relative clauses Message-ID: <20020918151549.GA8230@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since the attempt to discuss this in lojban only recieved responses from xorxes (and greg in english ;P :P) I'll try again now that I'm thinking about this slightly differently: Can tu'a/jai be used to raise sumti out of relative clauses? It seems to me that we should be able to. For example: {tu'a le prenu} could raise from {le gerku poi pu batci le prenu} I'm unable to find anything in the book specifically prohibitive of this sort of thing; but naturally nothing suggesting it is ok. What do people think? --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9iJilDrrilS51AZ8RAlkoAJ99aUmRSz3aYoYam9PdKRsE57On8wCfX9OH 5QUtzSUBe0bihwJntbigqnA= =lfGf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5--