From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Wed Sep 18 14:47:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 21:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 53803 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 21:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 21:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailbox-15.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 21:47:50 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-68-213.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.68.213]) by mailbox-15.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D9E6218F2 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:47:47 +0200 (DST) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:49:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020918153659.P1238@skunk.reutershealth.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin John: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 08:32:42PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > {lo ka'e pavyseljirna cu blabi} or else {lo su'o mu'ei pavyseljirna > > cu blabi} is true (according to my beliefs). {lo ca'a pavysljirna > > cu blabi} is false. > > I read "lo ka'e pavyseljirna" as "something(s) which have the (innate) > capability of being unicorns," and I don't think they exist either. > If you want to talk of unicorns, I think you either move (implicitly or > explicitly) into a world where there are unicorns simpliciter, or else > you have to go meta and talk of concepts of unicorns, statements about > unicorns, or whatever. That's why I offered the {su'o mu'ei} alternative. There is inconsistency in the definition of {ka'e} & co, between the "is capable of being" and "in some possible world is". (Basically, the capability story is the usual one, but the possible story is used when nu is involved.) --And.