From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Sep 18 17:46:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 00:46:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 75845 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 00:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 00:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.180) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 00:46:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:46:44 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.27 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:46:43 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] word for "www" (was: Archive location.) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:46:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2002 00:46:44.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[06956970:01C25F76] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.27] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 Lee Daniel Crocker : >I'm not sure I agree; they are clearly the same {se cukta}, >but I would call them different {cukta}, as I would a {cukta} in >a third form, such as a website. I don't think the particulars >of its arrangement into pages is what makes it a {cukta} either, >but I /do/ think that a {cukta} must be /some specific/ physical >manifestation of the {se cukta}. "Le Petit Prince" is a {se cukta}. >My copy of "Le Petit Prince" in hardbound paper is a {cukta}, as >is your copy on a long scroll, and the online copy at the Project >Gutenberg web site. Yes, that agrees with the official definition: cukta cku book x1 is a book containing work x2 by author x3 for audience x4 preserved in medium x5 [x1 is a manifestation/container [a physical object or its analogue] of a work/content, not necessarily using paper (= selpapri)]; The older definition (the one I have in my printed version of the gi'uste) had: x1 is a book about subject/theme/story x2 by author x3 etc. [this is a quantity of text, and not the physical object (= selpapri); So it used to be the work - theme relationship, but now it is the object - work relationship. (Unfortunately!) In any case, it was never about pages. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx