From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Sep 19 09:01:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 16:01:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27040 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 16:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 16:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 16:01:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:01:42 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:01:42 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:01:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2002 16:01:42.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8792740:01C25FF5] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e >I skip over the {sisku} stuff, since I wouldn't hang anything on how >{sisku}. > The change was needed, but the way chosen was not the ideal one; other >changes went better. Would you say that official {sisku} is just awkward (my position), or plain nonsensical? If it is just awkward, then I don't see a problem on basing a simpler way of doing things on that awkward way. >I note that your examples with {pavyseljirna} for >{santo}, are also simple but generally wrong. How are they wrong? mi sisku le mi pavyseljirna (Can be true if there is something I refer to as "my unicorn") mi sisku lo pavyseljirna There is some unicorn such that I'm looking for it. (Can only be true in worlds with unicorns.) mi sisku lo'e pavyseljirna I seek a unicorn. (Can be true even in worlds where I have no hope of ever finding any.) And they strictly match what you can do with official sisku: le mi pavyseljirna zo'u mi sisku le ka ce'u du py lo pavyseljirna zo'u mi sisku le ka ce'u du py mi sisku le ka ce'u pavyseljirna (= mi sisku le ka lo pavyseljirna zo'u ce'u du py) mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com