From nessus@free.fr Fri Sep 20 00:27:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: nessus@free.fr X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 95618 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr) (193.252.19.254) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.69) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D89D99900073329 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:27:15 +0200 Received: from ftiq2awxk6 (193.248.237.59) by mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D801204004E360A for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:27:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c26078$e034e4a0$3bedf8c1@ftiq2awxk6> To: References: <125.16ccac89.2abb8510@aol.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] tu'o usage Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:38:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lionel Vidal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47678341 X-Yahoo-Profile: cmacinf pc: > Does this mean that {tu'o broda cu brode} and {tu'o broda na brode} both > imply that there is only one broda, while {pa broda cu brode} does and {pa > broda na brode} does not. I don't think so. With {tu'o} (don't worry about quantifier) as with {pa} (exactly one of potentially many which really are), you may infere that there is only one broda by analysing and understanding the semantic of {broda}, and this independently of the rest of the proposed bridi. I think that only something like {lo pa broda} will clearly show that there is only one broda without even looking at {broda}, providing that you agree before hand on the truth of the bridi. I tend now to see {tu'o} as some shorcut for {lopa}, though I am not sure of its usefullness (you don' even gain a letter :-), but I agree you could say you gain one word). mu'omi'e lioNEL