From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Sep 20 11:27:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 18:27:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 57882 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.228) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 18:26:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:26:31 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:26:31 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Translation request Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:26:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2002 18:26:31.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E2DF380:01C260D3] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la xod cusku di'e > > > Could you translate the phrase at > > > http://lingvo.org/dokumentoj/ksnd.html into Lojban. > >.a'o .i le bangu poi kampu je sampu je kulnu vudypai je remoi cei >kysykyry. cu ralju ke nibli je tolkargu je pretru ke'e toldaspo le cusku >nabmi be lo'e ro'opre My take: i lo'e kampu je sampu je nutli je remoi bangu goi KSNR cu jicmu traji gi'e tolkargu traji gi'e rolseltru traji vau fo lei danfu be le cusku nabmi be lo'e ropno prenu Using {le bangu} suggests that you're talking of a particular language, and, even though they obviously do have a particular language in mind, they don't present it that way. (Also, KSKR is a sumti, you can't assign it with {cei}.) Repeating traji is necessary because they claim it is the most fundamental, the most economic, and the most democratic, not just the most in all three things together but the most in each of them, which is a stronger claim. Komuna, Simpla, Neŭtrala, Dua (K.S.N.D.) lingvo estas la plej fundamenta, la plej ekonomia, la plej demokrata solvo por la komunikadproblemo de la Eŭropa civitano. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com