From araizen@newmail.net Sat Sep 21 12:47:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 19:47:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 25937 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 19:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 19:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 19:47:13 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17sqFd-00075S-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:49:13 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17sqEu-00075A-00; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:48:28 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il ([194.90.9.21]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17sqEr-00074x-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:48:25 -0700 Received: from default ([62.0.134.178]) by mxout2.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H2T00FCN08GN5@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:45:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:53:26 +0200 Subject: Re: ma do nanca .i na'i To: lojban-list@lojban.org Message-id: <004e01c261b0$f3d29dc0$b286003e@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020921190643.GA61553@allusion.net> X-archive-position: 1443 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: araizen@newmail.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Adam Raizen Reply-To: araizen@newmail.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3063669 X-Yahoo-Profile: araizen la djorden cusku di'e > Normally lojban is strict about number claims. If I say "re le > gerku", it can not be true if 3 is the real number. Does this hold > for bridi which accept numbers, like nanca, mitre, cacra, etc? Yes, I think it applies similarly, though it those cases it's not strictly quantification of a sumti like it is in the other case. > So > for example, if someone says > ma nanca do You probably want to say 'do nanca ma'. 'ma nanca do' seems to claim that the listener is a number. > and the response is > li mu > is the respondent lying? Would the proper answer be > li ji'imu > > (assuming the respondent isn't *exactly* 5 years old). No more than if the respondent was asked about the length of ti, and said that it was 'mitre li ci', instead of 'mitre li ci pi nonononononopacivo', or even if the actual length was closer to 'mitre li ci pi nopa'. In the context, the smallest relevant unit is years, or meters, and so I don't think it's a problem to round to the closest one. Lojban being strict about number claims applies when the speaker claims less than the actual number of relevant units. An entire year is certainly relevant when we're talking about 'nanca', but even a couple of months is likely to not be. mu'o mi'e .adam.