From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Sep 21 16:55:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 23:55:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20729 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 23:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 23:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 23:55:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17su82-0007mj-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:57:38 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17su7N-0007mQ-00; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:56:57 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17su7K-0007mH-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:56:54 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8M01BGZ066929 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:01:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8M01BcY066928 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:01:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:01:10 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Translation request Message-ID: <20020922000110.GA66858@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1447 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 07:02:44PM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la xod cusku di'e [...] > > Repeating traji > > > is necessary because they claim it is the most fundamental, > > > the most economic, and the most democratic, not just the most > > > in all three things together but the most in each of them, which > > > is a stronger claim. > > > >I don't agree that repetition creates a stronger claim. >=20 > Suppose Esperanto was the simplest, English the most economical, > Chinese the most democratic (just for the sake of argument), > and Lojban the most simple-economical-democratic when all > is measured together. The claim is not for a language > that is the most when everything is measured together, but > one that is the most in each one of the properties, so not even > Lojban in our example would pass the test. I think you're confusing your connectives. Logical connectives are always expandable: ko'a broda je brode =3D=3D ko'a broda gi'e brode =3D=3D ko'a broda .ije k= o'a brode You need to use a nonlogical connective like jo'u to prevent it from being expandable like that I believe. So your comments would've held if he had said jo'u (or maybe joi also?), but since he used je I think it makes all 3 traji simultaneously. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9jQhGDrrilS51AZ8RAgFAAKCKo7j0LTnBccXXs41feVnaG1drDACfaK3i CeSP1U7f0hwdp2SWJ7bhmBk= =7cx+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV--