From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Sep 21 19:32:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 02:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 94027 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 02:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 02:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 02:32:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17swZp-0008IH-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:34:29 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17swZH-0008Hz-00; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:33:55 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17swZE-0008Hp-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:33:52 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8M2cAGZ069289 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:38:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8M2c9Pn069288 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:38:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:38:09 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Translation request Message-ID: <20020922023809.GA69135@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 02:13:09AM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la djorden cusku di'e >=20 > >I think you're confusing your connectives. Logical connectives > >are always expandable: > > ko'a broda je brode =3D=3D ko'a broda gi'e brode =3D=3D ko'a broda .i= je ko'a=20 > >brode >=20 > Well... No argument about the second equivalence, but the Book > does not sanction the first one (pg. 349). >=20 > I read {sampu je tolkargu traji} as {traji le ka sampu je tolkargu}, > and even if you expand that to {traji le ka sampu gi'e tolkargu}, it > won't expand any further. >=20 > There are no fast rules about tanru, so you could I suppose > interpret it as {sampu traji gi'e tolkargu traji}, but I find the > other expansion more natural. Ahh i see. The hard-and-fast expansion rules only apply to sumti it seems? So then the tanru could be interpreted either way (as tanru are wont to be). So {traji leka sampu .e leka tolkargu}. Though I think if someone wanted the meaning you're suggesting it'd still be better to use a nonlogical connective like jo'u (or maybe joi?). --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9jS0RDrrilS51AZ8RAiDPAJ4yq7XyhoUDnD7hdAZ6Q8E01RNOVACgnryJ jngfGOippb96MiN7XC6A7ek= =WKYn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X--