From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Sun Sep 22 16:03:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 23:03:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 18197 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 23:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 23:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 23:03:06 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17tFms-0005cb-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:05:14 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17tFmE-0005cE-00; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:04:34 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox-2.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.102]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17tFmB-0005c4-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:04:31 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-66-82.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.66.82]) by mailbox-2.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F127418747 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:01:46 +0200 (DST) To: Subject: [lojban] Re: corrigible vlaste? RE: Re: I like chocolate Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 00:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020922131640.G31365@miranda.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 1494 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Jay: > On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 02:48:54PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > Jay: > > > The Wiki rejects all association with the LLG, and has never knowingly > > > sought the approval of anyone. > > > > > > If I was trying to keep the Wiki somehow LLG-compliant, I wouldn't let > > > And get away with his experimental cmavo silliness on the Wiki. > > > > The experimental gismu are silly, but the experimental cmavo aren't. > > Oh, so, experimental cmavo, which have never been used, aren't silly, > but gismu like norgo and spero, which have even seen significant use, > aren't? I suppose the criteria for non-silliness is your involvement? I mean that what silliness there is is to be found among the experimental gismu, many of which were proposed by me in a spirit of frivolity. As you know, I think usage largely irrelevant. If you want a language that is used a lot, you know where to find one -- English or any of thousands of others. (Yes, I know that's a cheap rhetorical point; I'm just making it because it's usually flung in the other direction.) I don't deny that usage is marginally a guide to 'silliness' (= uselessness) of cmavo, but it is only one guide among others, and on its own is unreliable. > > All the experimental cmavo suggested by me are serious. > > You're serious when you suggest them, yes. The case for them is serious. That is, if the distinction between experimental vs, baselined is ignored, a number of my proposed cmavo deserve to belong in the language more than very many cmavo that already exist in the language. And the notion of ignoring the distinction between experimental and baselined may be anathema to you, but it is not silly. > > I think that if the Wiki were officially associated with the LLG > > nothing about it would change. > > If it was an official source of information, and I was running it, > I can guarantee you it would change. It's good, then, that you're running the Wiki and not the offical sources of information. For my part, I would see the entire wiki as an official source of information -- inter alia it reflects most of the diversity of views found among the community. --And.