From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Sep 23 00:39:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 07:39:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 11432 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 07:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 07:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 07:39:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17tNqP-0007ZZ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 00:41:25 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17tNpr-0007ZD-00; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 00:40:51 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 23 Sep 2002 00:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17tNpn-0007Z4-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 00:40:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B258D12C11 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:38:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (neo.fen.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.97.69]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BA112BFC for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:38:00 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3D8F1A4D.9070903@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:42:37 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Tengwar on frontespieces References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020300 X-archive-position: 1504 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: robin From: robin Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Nick Nicholas wrote: > I draw your attention to http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?Tengwar > In particular to the suggestion that Tengwar might be nice to have on > a frontespiece of the lessons. Also > http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?Why%20Tengwar%3F , which has > plenty of arguments for and against Tengwar. > Note in particular: > (con) Tengwar is Grand Geek Central, and We Don't Want Lojban > Associated With It; > (pro) Tengwar is just about as old as anything in Lojban, and is part > of Lojban culture inasmuch as several people in the community use it > off and on. > > So: > > Would anyone vehemently object to the Lessons cover art containing > Tengwar alongside Roman script for Lojban? > > Would anyone objecting object less vehemently if the Tengwar is > somehow disguised, stylised, or deemphasised? > > Same question for Level 0. > > My own opinion is: no Tengwar on Level 0, a publication more > explicitly associated with the LLG and officialness; but yes, > stylised and deemphasised Tengwar on the cover of the Lessons, which > is a less official project. > > I'm particularly interested in my co-author's opinion on this. Robin? Although I love the Tengwar script, I'm not so keen on having it on the book, as it might set up a spurious connection between Lojban and Elvish. robin.tr -- "So I repeat myself? I am great, I contain tautologies." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin