From pycyn@aol.com Tue Sep 24 09:00:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 24 Sep 2002 16:00:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 61114 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 16:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2002 16:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 16:00:17 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.111.18e8bdff (3980) for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <111.18e8bdff.2ac1e60f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:00:15 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] tu'o usage To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_111.18e8bdff.2ac1e60f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_111.18e8bdff.2ac1e60f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/24/2002 9:45:06 AM Central Daylight Time, nessus@free.fr writes: << > The difference between 'stated' and 'displayed' in a sentence that the > origanotor means to be true seems fallacious to me. > But anyway, there is a example in CLL p.131, where Cowan says: > 'Using exact numbers as inner quantifiers.....you are STATING that exactly > that many things exist' > and also > 'lo ci gerku cu blabi'.... CLAIMS also that there are only three dogs > in the universe! >> The difference would appear when someone claimed it was false (English not being good at distinctions here) or when a negation was moved through. On the latter, I have yet to see a case of INNER change. As for CLL, I have already noted that it seems in many ways oblivious to presuppositions. What I suppose is going on there is just that, if there are not exctly three dogs, we would not accept the claim even if all the dogs there were were white (I'm not, by the way, sure this is true -- many might say "Yeah, except there are actually four dogs" or some such thing). --part1_111.18e8bdff.2ac1e60f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/24/2002 9:45:06 AM Central Daylight Time, nessus@free.fr writes:

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The difference between 'stated' and 'displayed' in a sentence that the
origanotor means to be true seems fallacious to me.
But anyway, there is a example in CLL p.131, where Cowan says:
'Using exact numbers as inner quantifiers.....you are STATING that exactly
that many things exist'
and also
'lo ci gerku cu blabi'.... CLAIMS also that there are only three dogs
in the universe!

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The difference would appear when someone claimed it was false (English not being good at distinctions here) or when a negation was moved through. On the latter, I have yet to see a case of INNER change.
As for CLL, I have already noted that it seems in many ways oblivious to presuppositions. What I suppose is going on there is just that, if there are not exctly three dogs, we would not accept the claim even if all the dogs there were were white (I'm not, by the way, sure this is true -- many might say "Yeah, except there are actually four dogs" or some such thing).
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