From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Sep 24 09:03:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 24 Sep 2002 16:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 82881 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 16:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2002 16:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 16:03:04 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:30:46 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:03:23 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:02:51 +0100 To: opoudjis , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] rau Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Further evidence that you are right is that a distinction is made between=20 du'e and mo'a, "too many", "too few", but rau is "enough" and there is no "few enough"/"many enough" contrast. --And. >>> Nick Nicholas 09/24/02 04:39pm >>> Like the list needed yet another instance of an ambiguously defined=20 cmavo... The What Is Lojban brochure speaks of being "enoughth in line" to get a=20 ticket for a movie. In private email (which I've posted as errata, and am now working=20 through), Arnt complains: > *** (Difficult-to-fix issues) "and one can talk of being "enough-th in=20 > line" for tickets to a sellout movie" Now wait a minute. Is there any=20 > other ways in Lojban to number the places in a line than to call the=20 > foremost number 1? In that case, one would want to have a *small=20 > enough* number in line, instead of *large enough*, as I think "raumoi"=20 > must mean. Jorge responds: > ****Interesting issue! I think ''rau'' should be able to mean "few=20 > enough" in contexts where fewer is more significant. I can't think of=20 > a case where this would cause problems. --[xorxes] The cmavo itself is defined merely as "enough; subjective" In accordance with the supplicatory model: If Lojbab wrote this text,=20 then Lojbab must have intended "rau" to mean 'small enough' as well as=20 'large enough'. The formal way of stating this without being braindamaged is: "rau"=20 indicates a quantity which is satisfactory for the purposes of the=20 perspective-holder in context [not necessarily the speaker], as they=20 can be inferred from context. Its reference is not constrained to being=20 a ceiling value ('large enough value'), it may be a floor ('small=20 enough value') or a median value, according to context. (This is the kind of thing I'd like to see in a mini-dict, btw.) Kai san swqhkan t' akriba piota, N N O nickn@unimelb.edu.au=20 kai san plhsiaze pia h wra tesseres, I I L http://www.opoudjis.net=20 ston erwta doqhkan eutuxeis. C C A Universtity of=20 Melbourne K.P.Kabafhs, _Duo Neoi, 23 Ews 24 Etwn_ K H S *Ceci n'est pas un=20 .sig* To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20