From pycyn@aol.com Thu Sep 26 16:57:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 26 Sep 2002 23:57:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 39861 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.8f.22e3567a (4539) for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:57:00 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] paroi ro mentu To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/26/2002 6:01:18 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: << > le plini cu mulcarna paroi ro mentu > > 1- Is {mulcarna} good for "x1 makes a full turn around x2 > in direction x3"? >> I tend to see what something takes a turn around as a center rather than an axis, which {carna} seems to require -- is this a legitimate extension? << 2- The problem with {paroi ro mentu} is that the quantifiers are in the wrong order. The alternative {ro da poi mentu zo'u le plini cu mulcarna paroi da} is too longwinded and requires forethought. Any ideas? >> Why doesn't this mean "the planet makes a full turn around all minutes once," i.e., why isn't {ro mentu} x2? {paroi} seems to be a free modifier so has at most rhetorical effect on its neighbors and there is nothing in CLL or the cmavo list to suggest that {PAroi} takes a sumti to indicate the span within which the repetitions are counted (though maybe it should). Maybe something like {ca ro mentu le plini paroi mulcarna}, though I'd be happier with something more intervally than {ca} -- can {ze'e} be used in that way (there used to be something like {ci'a}, but that may be all th way back to Loglan. --part1_8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/26/2002 6:01:18 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:

<<

le plini cu mulcarna paroi ro mentu

1- Is {mulcarna} good for "x1 makes a full turn around x2
in direction x3"?

>>
I tend to see what something takes a turn around as a center rather than an axis, which {carna} seems to require -- is this a legitimate extension?

<<
2- The problem with {paroi ro mentu} is that the quantifiers
are in the wrong order. The alternative {ro da poi mentu zo'u
le plini cu mulcarna paroi da} is too longwinded and requires
forethought. Any ideas?
>>
Why doesn't this mean "the planet makes a full turn around all minutes once," i.e., why isn't {ro mentu} x2? {paroi} seems to be a free modifier so has at most rhetorical effect on its neighbors and there is nothing in CLL or the cmavo list to suggest that {PAroi} takes a sumti to indicate the span within which the repetitions are counted (though maybe it should).
Maybe something like {ca ro mentu le plini paroi mulcarna}, though I'd be happier with something more intervally than {ca} -- can {ze'e} be used in that way (there used to be something like {ci'a}, but that may be all th way back to Loglan. --part1_8f.22e3567a.2ac4f8cc_boundary--