From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Sep 27 08:25:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 15:25:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 73932 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 15:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 15:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 15:25:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17ux1n-0002ds-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:27:39 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17ux18-0002da-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:26:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17ux14-0002dQ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:26:55 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8RFV1GZ027664 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:31:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8RFV0oB027663 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:31:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:31:00 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: interactions between tenses, other tenses, and NA Message-ID: <20020927153100.GA27573@allusion.net> References: <200209270333.XAA19087@mail2.reutershealth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1612 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 02:48:47PM -0000, jjllambias2000 wrote: > la djan cusku di'e >=20 > > The principle is that everything is exported > > to the prenex in the order in which it (first) appears, *except* NA, > > which is always exported to the very beginning. In that way,=20 > inserting > > "na" before the selbri (mixed with tenses any way you like) is=20 > always the > > exact contradictory negation of the version without "na".=20=20 >=20 > I doubt this can work in practice. {na} is consistently misused > by almost everybody, so I suspect that the rule will be eventually > generalized to order of appearance, {na} not excepted. People also frequently forget boi when there's two lerfu sumti in a row, or ku when there's a joi for sumti. I don't think the answer is language change, but rather more learning. (Most are still pretty much beginners to the language. Saying things wrong every now and then means we're broke, not the language). --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9lHm0DrrilS51AZ8RArVeAJ9uQjBbcaqtbWVXrShJ88jBQm5faQCbBfvA dRGP9xaWXw9hN9EtYQGzlyA= =WcyH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF--