From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Sep 27 08:41:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 15:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 33339 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 15:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 15:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 15:41:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 15:41:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:41:54 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: interactions between tenses, other tenses, and NA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020927153100.GA27573@allusion.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000" X-Originating-IP: 200.49.74.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la djorden cusku di'e > People also frequently forget boi when there's two lerfu sumti in > a row, or ku when there's a joi for sumti. Yes, but that seems to be a different type of error. Once you understand the reason why the terminator is needed you don't have to give a second thought to it. [I think numbers and lerfu should not have been allowed to merge together, but that's for some other day. Even so, the rule is learnable.] {na} is different. Every time I see or write {na} in a longuish or a little bit complex sentence I have to spend some time analyzing it before I can be sure of what it says. And for the next sentence I have to start from scratch, I haven't developed any intuition about it. > I don't think the answer > is language change, but rather more learning. Maybe. I haven't given up on {na} yet, I do try to use it by the Book, but I don't see myself making any progress with it, as I do about other things. It may very well be that it just takes longer to learn. > (Most are still > pretty much beginners to the language. Saying things wrong every > now and then means we're broke, not the language). Of course, and everybody says things wrong every now and then even in their native language. All I'm saying is that the rule for {na} is extremely difficult to master, at least for me. mu'o mi'e xorxes