From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Sep 27 09:19:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 16:19:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 24444 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 16:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 16:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 16:16:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17uxpT-0002xr-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:18:59 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17uxow-0002xY-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:18:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17uxot-0002xP-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:18:23 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8RGMZGZ028738 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:22:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8RGMZ78028737 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:22:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:22:35 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: paroi ro mentu Message-ID: <20020927162235.GA28708@allusion.net> References: <20020927061015.GB24912@allusion.net> <20020927161742.GB28382@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020927161742.GB28382@allusion.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1625 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 11:17:42AM -0500, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 02:34:49PM -0000, jjllambias2000 wrote: > [...] > > So, I would say that the tag always falls within the scope of the > > sumti's quantifier. (Unless someone comes up with interesting > > cases where the opposite interpretation makes sense.) >=20 > Now that I think about it, I actually think the book's example goes > the other way. In > mi klama le zarci reroi le ca djedi > unfortunately we can assume there's only 1 ca djedi, and thus it > doesn't say definitively. But if we assume the general left to > right rule applies, and consider the same thing meaning "current > days" instead of the "current day", it doesn't make sense that the > re should change to re * number_of_days. >=20 > The forethought isn't neccesary here anyway if you use a gadri > like we were discussing, but I think in the general case tags > probably scope just like anything else. After the baseline ends, if there is sufficent desire for it a cmavo could be created to invert tag scope, so you would say ro mentu paroi (for all minutes once). This requires a real grammar change and such though, so I don't advocate using it until/unless it were to be adopted into the official grammar after the baseline. (It would need to add a term -> sumti tag rule). --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9lIXLDrrilS51AZ8RAg+sAKCvagwFtWSJVOetWW8kgvvIZ5Z7cwCgo9Up yiE8+mFA9+lqQrUW+oIUbYc= =b7Vn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB--