From jcowan@reutershealth.com Fri Sep 27 13:12:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 20:12:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 99872 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 20:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 20:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 20:12:06 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29266; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200209272023.QAA29266@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:11:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: interactions between tenses, other tenses, and NA To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk (And Rosta) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: from "And Rosta" at Sep 27, 2002 08:52:19 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan And Rosta scripsit: > To me it seems one of the more naturalistic features of Lojban -- > a quirky, exceptional, counterintuitive, unnecessary complication, > of the sort natlangs are full of & Lojban is largely free of. What is alien is that a contradictory negation particle should be other than at the beginning of the sentence. In Loglan, sentence-initial "no" served this function. IIRC, Lojbab consciously moved it from the natural sentence-initial position to just before the selbri "because it was more naturalistic". IMHO a mistake. -- All Gaul is divided into three parts: the part John Cowan that cooks with lard and goose fat, the part www.ccil.org/~cowan that cooks with olive oil, and the part that www.reutershealth.com cooks with butter. -- David Chessler jcowan@reutershealth.com