From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Sep 27 14:42:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 21:42:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 36002 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 21:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 21:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 21:42:58 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17v2vb-0004Sa-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:45:39 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17v2ux-0004SI-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:44:59 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net ([68.1.17.243]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17v2ut-0004S3-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:44:55 -0700 Received: from nora.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020927214143.KKMC12192.lakemtao02.cox.net@nora.lojban.org> for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:41:44 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927175025.02db8ab0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: noras@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:53:56 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: interactions between tenses, other tenses, and NA In-Reply-To: References: <200209270333.XAA19087@mail2.reutershealth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 1642 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: noras@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Nora LeChevalier From: Nora LeChevalier Reply-To: noras@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out la xorxes cusku di'e: >la djan cusku di'e > > > The principle is that everything is exported > > to the prenex in the order in which it (first) appears, *except* NA, > > which is always exported to the very beginning. In that way, >inserting > > "na" before the selbri (mixed with tenses any way you like) is >always the > > exact contradictory negation of the version without "na". > >I doubt this can work in practice. {na} is consistently misused >by almost everybody, so I suspect that the rule will be eventually >generalized to order of appearance, {na} not excepted. "na" exporting to first in the prenex is necessary for "na go'i" to work. "na go'i" MUST be the exact negation of the "xu" sentence to allow answering questions to work. xu do roroi klama le zarci .i na go'i You don't want "na go'i" to mean you always DON'T go to the store. -- mi'e noras noras@lojban.org Nora LeChevalier