From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Fri Sep 27 16:32:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 23:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 30931 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 23:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailbox-6.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:32:25 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-67-49.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.67.49]) by mailbox-6.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB684299B5 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:32:19 +0200 (DST) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Context Leapers Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:33:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1a8.93d78ba.2ac5ef47@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin pc: > What would be wanted in Lojban is a widget to attach to a quantifier > that places it at the front of its context with maximum scope or can > insert it into a string of quantifiers at some place other than where > it physically lies. It may already be around, hidden away where the > index to CLL does not go Going for only the "places it at the front of its context with maximum scope" option would be insufficiently general for it to be satisfactory. It wouldn't solve the basic problem. Now a widget that would insert it into a string of quantifiers at some place other than where it physically lies would be cool, but the rules & devices necessary to get it to work would be so burdensome to the grammar and to the mind of the language user that the simplest option would always be to reformulate so that quantifiers physically lie in the place they are supposed to. I came to this conclusion after spending a long time -- months at least, maybe longer -- trying to work out just the sort of widget you are asking for. So here mine is the voice of experience not of blinkered conservatism. --And.