From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Sep 27 16:56:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 23:56:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 63773 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 23:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:56:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17v50r-0004uQ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:59:13 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17v507-0004u7-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:58:27 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17v503-0004ty-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:58:23 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8S02ZGZ030689 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:02:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8S02ZHO030688 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:02:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:02:35 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: paroi ro mentu Message-ID: <20020928000235.GA30608@allusion.net> References: <20020927162235.GA28708@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1651 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 12:33:56AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > jordan: > > After the baseline ends, if there is sufficent desire for it a cmavo > > could be created to invert tag scope, so you would say > > ro mentu paroi > > (for all minutes once). This requires a real grammar change and > > such though, so I don't advocate using it until/unless it were to > > be adopted into the official grammar after the baseline. > > (It would need to add a > > term -> sumti tag > > rule). >=20 > Couldn't you just use an experimental cmavo in UI? Well you could, but it's somewhat lame. I think it would be nicer either to preserve the order of the quantifiers by doing something which would invert them, or to make it have its own selma'o so it would only be allowed in the rule for terms formed from tag+sumti. Either way it's definitely not a pressing concern that is worth violating the baseline over: it seems to make sense that things should still go left to right for terms made from tag+sumti, and it can always be overidden with a prenex. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9lPGbDrrilS51AZ8RAlBEAJ9N7pQ/MyQyDV6iokxLkIfEHEbRjgCfbEMX RiyWNy9jQUHh2KQCDNSmG3U= =oYAU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8--